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I think I noticed an error in your splitting strategy with a back-betting player for blackjack. It states that you should only play one hand if the person you are
back-betting splits 10s vs. 8 (this is the selfish chart). But a hard
10 (no double) vs. 8 still has a positive expected value. — Mason from D.C.
The reason is that my table assumes the front-player will keep resplitting, if he can. That depresses the value of a single 10, because I assume the front-player will keep making the same mistake, if he can. I just added that condition to that page. January 13, 2008
First, great site. Second, sorry if this is in the wrong category, I did my best. Finally, Appendix 3B mentions a program used to come to all of the composition dependant strategy. I was wondering if this program was available for purchase or if you could just give me the formula used to determine what any given hand's optimal play would be given the removal of any number of other cards (like the perfect play calculator at gamblingtools.net). Thanks. – Chuck from Spring, TX
Thanks. My program is not very user friendly. I would recommend you use the blackjack calculator at gamblingtools.net, which will give you perfect advice for any situation and deck composition.
October 17, 2006
That is a good question. Personally I eyeball the borderline plays based on what has already been played, especially on the second hand to be played. If forced I would say using the exceptions is better than the basic strategy only. However the way the basic strategy exceptions were created was on the initial hand only, so they are not entirely accurate for splitting, because the deck composition will be a little different.
Dec. 26, 2005
Wizard, I have been reviewing your site in preparation for a trip to Vegas, because it is the best gambling site period. I was intrigued by the analysis from your December 4, 2001 column about when to stand with 16 vs. dealer 10. Being a math person myself I want to maximize the odds, but also understand the slim gain. Like many basic strategy players, I've always hit 16 vs. dealer 10 when I hold a 2, 3, 4, or 5. I'm curious, since this was brought to your attention, have you altered your play to gain that "one unit every 5 years", or have you stuck with just hitting the 16 every time? Thanks for all you do! - J
Thanks for the kind words. If I'm playing basic strategy (as opposed to counting) I tend to stand if there is already a four or five in my hand. If it is a face-up game, with other players, I scan the table and just use my best judgment.
Feb. 11, 2006
In your blackjack appendix 9 you indicate that the
player has a positive expectation hitting 10 against a 10?
For example with six decks and the player's 10 is composed
of a 6 and 4 you state the player advantage is 0.026796.
Won't both player and dealer hit until 17? This should give
the dealer an advantage because the dealer will win if both
bust.
The reason is because the player's next card
could be an ace but not the dealer's. I stated in the
explanation to that appendix that I already assume the
dealer does not have a blackjack. That is why the player
has a slight edge in that situation, after the dealer
peeks and confirms he does not have a blackjack.
Dec. 20, 2004
Wong states in Professional
Blackjack on page 23 the following, "If you get
to twelve by 10-2 or 2-10 (where 10 means any 10-count
card), and two or fewer decks are being used (or seven or
fewer if the dealer stands on soft seventeen), you should
hit." Is that correct? I can see it for a one or two deck
game where composition-dependent strategy has a certain
amount of value to it, but he's saying that you should hit a
10-2/2-10 when SEVEN decks are used (S17)! That doesn't
sound right to me.
Wong is referring to a player 12 against a
dealer 4 and is quoting The
Theory of Blackjack, page 176, by Peter Griffin. Yes,
he is right. In a seven deck game the expected value by
hitting is -0.210820 and standing is -0.211106, so
hitting is higher. However with eight decks hitting is
-0.2111161 and standing is -0.211100, so standing is
higher. This is such a borderline play that the number of
decks does make a difference between seven and eight.
Here is an even better example. With A-4 against a 4 you
should double all the way through 26 decks but hit with
27 or more. June 5,
2004
Thank you for your composition
dependent basic strategy exceptions. However in
The
Theory of Blackjack Peter Griffin says the player
should stand on 4+4+4+4 against an 8 in single deck. Is he
wrong or did you overlook this play?
Griffin is of course correct. The expected value
of hitting is -0.552613 and standing is -0.535787. Some
plays I don't list because they are either so obscure I
didn't find them or so unlikely I didn't bother to list
them. May 22, 2004
Appendix 3b: Composition dependent exceptions to
double deck basic strategy where the dealer stands on soft
17. Do these apply to multiple (4, 6 and 8) deck games or is
there NO variation from Basic Strategy on these? - Trevor
from Northampton, United Kingdom
No, these exceptions should not be used for 4-8
decks. There are a few exceptions in 4-8 deck games but
they are so border line that it isn't worth the bother to
learn them. An interesting rule of thumb for all numbers
of decks is that with 16 vs. 10, where the 16 is composed
of 3 or more cards, in general the odds favor standing.
I like to use your blackjack
appendix 3 to fine tune my play in online single
deck blackjack. I see you have updated this page in
December, and it seems like there are a few new moves in the
2-card section. I don't understand the advice to hit a 10
& 2 against a 4, and particularly against a 6 when the
dealer is so likely to bust. And can it really be right to
hit these, but not 10 & 2 against a 5?! I'd appreciate
any insight you can shed on this. Is the key that the dealer
can have an A in the hole with the 6? Hmm, that's plausible.
Are these new strategies, and if so, what brought them
about? - Rich Sweetman from Londonderry, New
Hampshire
Yes, I made a couple changes to the two-card
list. I removed 9+3 Vs 3 and added 10+2 Vs 6. In a single
deck game where the dealer stands on soft 17 and the
player has 10+2 against a dealer 6 the expected value of
hitting is -0.159436 and for standing is -0.160379. So
you lose less on average by hitting. I hate to give sound
bite answers to the basic strategy because there are
numerous ways the cards can play out. The dealer's
probability of busting is greater with the 6. However as
you said the dealer is also more likely to get a 17 with
a 6 showing than a 5. A 17 is not a good hand and
motivates the player to hit and try to beat it.
May 8, 2002
I have just read an article that says its proper basic
strategy to stand on a multiple card 16, containing a 4 or
5, Vs. a dealer's 10 in a multiple deck (4 or more decks)
blackjack game. I checked your web site and I could only
find appendixes for multiple card hands in 1 and 2 deck
games. Is this article correct? - Rodney B. Kantorski
from Clarence, New York
Yes! Good question, even I didn't know this. The
fewer the decks and the greater the number of cards the
more this is true. To test the most likely case to favor
hitting, 8 decks and only 3 cards, I ran every possible
situation through my combinatorial program. The following
table displays the results.
|
Expected Values for 3-card 16 Vs. 10 in 8-deck
game
|
|
Hand
|
EV Hit
|
EV Stand
|
Best
Play
|
Probability
|
Return
Hit
|
Return
Stand
|
|
1/5/10
|
-0.540978
|
-0.539872
|
Stand
|
0.132024
|
-0.071422
|
-0.071276
|
|
1/6/9
|
-0.536558
|
-0.540151
|
Hit
|
0.059837
|
-0.032106
|
-0.032321
|
|
1/7/8
|
-0.537115
|
-0.537003
|
Stand
|
0.059837
|
-0.032139
|
-0.032133
|
|
2/4/10
|
-0.540947
|
-0.541
|
Hit
|
0.237478
|
-0.128463
|
-0.128475
|
|
2/5/9
|
-0.542105
|
-0.540534
|
Stand
|
0.039891
|
-0.021625
|
-0.021563
|
|
2/6/8
|
-0.537701
|
-0.540773
|
Hit
|
0.059837
|
-0.032174
|
-0.032358
|
|
2/7/7
|
-0.538271
|
-0.537584
|
Stand
|
0.028983
|
-0.015601
|
-0.015581
|
|
3/3/10
|
-0.540385
|
-0.540995
|
Hit
|
0.115028
|
-0.06216
|
-0.06223
|
|
3/4/9
|
-0.541769
|
-0.540536
|
Stand
|
0.059837
|
-0.032418
|
-0.032344
|
|
3/5/8
|
-0.54295
|
-0.540022
|
Stand
|
0.039891
|
-0.021659
|
-0.021542
|
|
3/6/7
|
-0.538575
|
-0.540228
|
Hit
|
0.059837
|
-0.032227
|
-0.032326
|
|
4/4/8
|
-0.543188
|
-0.54003
|
Stand
|
0.028983
|
-0.015743
|
-0.015652
|
|
4/5/7
|
-0.544396
|
-0.539483
|
Stand
|
0.039891
|
-0.021717
|
-0.021521
|
|
4/6/6
|
-0.539446
|
-0.542878
|
Hit
|
0.028983
|
-0.015635
|
-0.015735
|
|
5/5/6
|
-0.545033
|
-0.542137
|
Stand
|
0.009661
|
-0.005266
|
-0.005238
|
|
Total
|
|
|
|
1
|
-0.540355
|
-0.540293
|
The two right numbers in the bottom row show
that the overall expected value for hitting is -0.540355
and for standing is -0.540293. So standing is the
marginally better play. Following this rule will result
in an extra unit once every 1117910 hands. It would take
about 5 years playing blackjack 40 hours a week before
this piece of advice saved the player one unit.
Dec. 4, 2001
Hi, I just looked at your Microgaming blackjack basic
strategy card. I notice that on 7,7 you advise that the
player not hit against a 10. Why is this, and does this
override the advice to hit on 14 against a 10? - Joseph
Teo from Singapore
This is the correct play in all my single deck
blackjack strategies. The reason is that the probability
of getting a third seven is only 2/49, or about 4.08%.
Compare this to the probability in double deck of 6/101 =
5.94%. With the low hope of beating a dealer 20 it is
better to hit, or surrender if you can. Yes, this does
override my advice to hit 14 against a
10. Dec. 24, 2000
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